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Poll Question: Where do you think the cap needs to be for next season ? |
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| $60,000,000 |
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Topic: Season 12 Salary Cap (Read 543 times) |
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Season 12 Salary Cap
« Thread started on: Jan 2nd, 2008, 2:34pm » |
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This will ultimately be decided by the league Board of Governors, but we would like your input.
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #1 on: Jan 2nd, 2008, 4:46pm » |
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I'm just going to add that the NHL Salary cap is 50 million for a 30 team league. The WFHA only has 16 teams and the current salary cap should reflect that. I don't see why you don't just let the nhl salary cap dictate what it should be at with adjustments for the team ratio.
If you take the exact ratio the WFHA should be at 75million. This might be to much but I think a ratio can be found.
The only other way is to add a value to players instead of putting the owner under the gun. I could paste emails from GM's telling me they didn't want to talk about a trade because they knew I couldn't afford the player so they'll just wait and see. If players had a value it would force GM's to work things out for the better of both teams instead of putting all the cards into the lower end teams hand.
Orrrrr, I just worked it out. The average salary for players with OV of 74 and up is $2,823,522.00. Times that by 21 and you get $59,293,956.73. All I'm saying is the current salary cap format isn't really fair. So as of now your're expected to build a team with 8 million less then what it would take to build a team.
That's my two cents.
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #2 on: Jan 2nd, 2008, 5:52pm » |
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The NHL is beating us up over this one signing guys that play play 3rd line NHL, never mind WFHA, to big fat contracts.. It just seems EVERYONE will be making 3-6M soon all the way thought our rosters.. Guys that are done thier 3yr entry level contract are getting 4-5M.. Sucks for us.. Just wait for the next upgrade that happens.. the 4-5M guys signing 8-10M deals..
Id honestly vote for no salery cap, but thats just me, as Iv never liked it..
But I have had conversations with alot of you over this and I feel that Corey's about right.. It needs to be around 60M - 65M.. Even at that Im betting alot of team will have issues..
Thats my 2 cents
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #3 on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 08:01am » |
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The cap is a good idea and should help keep teams more equalized. Some good things are teams overloaded with talent will have to give up expensive star players to lesser teams and GM's will have more of a challenge organizing their teams rosters creating more trades in the off season. Earlier draft pics will be more valuable to get good low paid players. The bad thing is it might limit trading a little during the season like in the NHL and some star players might end up playing on farm teams to help meet the cap. Like the Royalswfha stated there are less WFHA teams so it might be good to go a little over the actual NHL cap as lower paid 3rd and 4th line NHL players wont be on most teams rosters. Basically it boils down to teams with lots of high priced talent will hate the cap and teams with few high priced stars wil love the cap.
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #4 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 08:19am » |
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Everyone knows I've never really liked the cap...Every offseason I have to unload top end talent for nothing because of it. But I understand the reason for the cap. I just think it should more reflect the NHL, as Corey said the NHL has 30 teams at about $50 million and we have a league of 15 teams so it should be around $75 million.
Or maybe we add in some exceptions as NHL teams are signing these guys to front loaded contracts that really screw up our finances (ie. Briere, Vanek, etc.)
I guess that's just my two cents.
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #5 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 02:52am » |
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I've been in 30 team leagues with and without a cap , I've been in 16 team league with and without a cap...and there's 1 common thing among all of them. There are always terribly bad teams that have been run into the ground , and may take years to get out. I have to say the most evenly distributed league I was in was one with NO cap , but an equalization draft (same order as entry draft). Idea is after rerates teams protected X amount of players (I don't remember how many players we could protect), with players of a certain age (say 23 and under), and first year players regardless of age are automatically protected. The rest are free to be drafted , with no team having to lose more than 2 players , and no team picking up more than 2. Current contracts just transfered. The good teams had tough decisions , though not totally made by salary , gm's still had to decide who to protect , and "do I dare trade for him , and then not be able to protect him next season due to my depth "blah blah blah. I don't know that this system is any better than having a cap , but the bad teams in that league had some decent rosters and some hope almost each season(I wasn't an original owner , maybe all the gm's drafted well to begin with , thus resulting in an 'even' league). I'm not 100% sure , but I think a few of you guys (Rob...maybe Jay..)were in that league as well...does anyone remember what the heck I'm talking about here !?!...hehe Regardless , any which way you cut it , there is no quick fix , just keeping reviewing each offseason.
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #6 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 06:10am » |
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Roy your thinking of a waiver Draft I think you protect 18 skaters and 2 goalies and then same as draft last place teams picks 1st 1st picks last. if you protected a full limit 18-2 and then u would have to expose someone skater for skater goalie for goalie. each team can lose only 1 goalie and up to 2 players. the small problem with this is your protecting your pro team and waiver exempt players under 23. So really who would be left ?
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #7 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 12:06pm » |
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No , it was an equalization draft..not a waiver draft. We definately didn't protect 18 guys...it was way less. I mean , real talent was swapping teams...the poor got richer faster. Something like 9 forwards we protected...tops...4 defense and a goalie , plus the age limit guys and rookies. I think I remember the league we were in that had a waiver draft as well , but it's not nearly as effective.
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #8 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 1:21pm » |
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An "equalization" draft every year sounds a bit much...But I wouldn't say I'd be against it before moving to STHS. I like my team but it's obvious they haven't had what it takes to win it all yet and probably won't any time soon.
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Re: Season 12 Salary Cap
« Reply #9 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 1:54pm » |
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You might be right Brandyn...the league I was in , I only got to do one offseasons worth of moves (commish up and gone), so I never saw how the EQ draft worked after multiple seasons. The one season I was there , some nice players swapped teams , with the poorer teams obviously getting better. I could easily see a league going with an EQ draft involving only the bottom 4 teams standings wise for only as many seasons necessary to build them up a bit.
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